Clearly, things are definitely changing in big ways as far as the way we consume music, listen to music, and what we expect from music.

It's a weird job because making music or writing a song is a personal thing... and it kind of has to be. You can always tell when people are faking.

When you make a melody that doesn't come with words from the get-go, sometimes you're just thinking about random vowel sounds that go with it - and it's really, really hard to write lyrics that actually obey the vowel sounds.

You have to figure out as a band how a band becomes a business, and then you have to keep that business mentality separate from the creative one, which is good for the songs. It's always a work in progress.

I'm super interested in visual, and I love that being in a band can be as much about making an image as it is about making a sound.

Sometimes you get really bitter about how the prettiest images don't typically end up attached to the most interesting music. But I just take that as a challenge to try to do something cool.

You think about, like, [20th-century classical composers] Alban Berg, Schoenberg, and Webern sitting around in some living room in Vienna and being like, "We are the end of music. We are the end of this tradition. Music is done."