The older painting - well, it does have an effect all at once, I suppose, but it's of a lesser intensity than a lot of the American work in the last ten or fifteen years.

And that Newman wasn't, and yet to me Pollock is just as radical and unlike Expressionism as Newman.

Well, in any art there are a lot of technical things that you can get to like.

Actual space is intrinsically more powerful and specific than paint on a flat surface.

The older painting - well, it does have an effect all at once, I suppose, but it's of a lesser intensity than a lot of the American work in the last ten or fifteen years.

But I think that's a particular kind of experience involving a certain immediacy between you and the canvass, you and the particular kind of experience of that particular moment.

Color, to continue had to occur in space.