Often we're having an argument with something imaginary - a fixed idea of the "enemy" and the good. We need to get beyond that and actually develop a deep curiosity about people and systems and understand them better.

Activists can get very preachy about things. It's more about understanding people's own experiences and tapping into them.

The magic formula is there is no magic formula.

To be effective at selling ideas, at being a lobbyist, influencing other people, you have to be very sure of yourself.

I sound like a church nut, but look at the role of the churches in the civil rights movement in the States. People are brought together in other ways that can become drivers of change.

The post-Second World War simple system of social democracy and organized labour has fragmented massively, but just because people aren't organized in workplace trade unions doesn't mean they aren't in associations with other people - work-based, place-based, culture-based, sport-based, faith-based - there's a bit of an old rainbow coalition argument.

I keep coming back to the phrase "Dance with the system" - not just march onwards no matter what happens.