I guess the best way to describe that would be to connect with the fact that I came out of college just before the big Depression, and I came to New York.

[Martin Luther] King was one of the two young ministers - and you know how directly oriented the Negro community still is towards the minister as the leader.

I believe, the [Gunnar] Myrdal study had been made, and if we hadn't had anything else to raise questions, this in itself would have been something to provoke thought in the direction of the value of accommodating leadership.

Both my parents came from North Carolina, in Warren County. My mother had a feeling that there was greater culture in North Carolina than obtained in Norfolk, Virginia, plus the fact she just didn't like the lowland-lying climate there.

When I came out of the Depression, I came out of it with a different point of view as to what constituted success. And that was even just even personal success.

Martin [Luther King] wasn't one to buck forces too much.

I guess the best way to describe that would be to connect with the fact that I came out of college just before the big Depression, and I came to New York.