I feel like New Zealand's a bit of an unchartered territory for me in a way.

Once you make something you think it's awesome, but it's only after you listen to it for a few weeks then you actually get a proper perspective on it.

It's one thing having a great song, but I think for me if you take it to the next level... say you had a guitar and a vocal, and the song was amazing but the vocalist wasn't that great and it just was a guitar and vocal acoustic track, switching that to something like an amazing voice singing the exact same song with the instrumentation being really nice and lush or unique in some way and interesting and diverse... I think it's all about the instrumentation and textures in the sound.

I feel like New Zealand's a bit of an unchartered territory for me in a way.

I feel like I've gotten to a point where I don't know if it can get much bigger. I've been climbing and I feel very happy.

What's funny for me is that I made a lot of the music I make with intentions of it being a song you listen to, to chill out.

It's more my own thing if I do instrumentals, but I also do really love collaborating with vocalists, so it's a good balance.