I don't think anything happens without the press, one way or the other. I think it's all done for it. You saw it start, really, with Martin Luther King in Birmingham. He did the bus thing. And I don't think anything that followed would have happened if the press hadn't paid attention.

A pun calls the meaning of a word into question, and it upsets us tremendously. We laugh because suddenly we find out we're not going to get killed. I think a lot of things work that way with photographs.

I get totally out of myself. It's the closest I come to not existing, I think, which is the best - which is to me attractive.

I don't care how they think of it. Some of these people are acquiring some very good pictures by a lot of different photographers.

I think there's some stuff that's at least photographically interesting. There are things I back off from trying to talk about.

You're talking about meaning. I want to talk about the picture.

Well, in terms of what a camera does. Again, you go back to that original idea that what you photograph is responsible for how it [the photograph] looks. And it's not plastic, in a way. The problem is unique in photographic terms.