I'm not trying to cut myself off from the rest of the culture by not licensing.

That's almost the best part, making the record cover.

I rely on swearing just to communicate emotion, but I wanted to express the same feelings [in song] without using curse words.

I don't hate religion, I try not to hate religion. I hate the terrible things that religion makes people do, and I hate the greed that comes from it.

Sometimes I forget that the label's been around so long that some of the bands they're singing now might be influenced by the first wave of Sub Pop bands. Is there anyone on that label that you look up to or borrow from?

I'm not trying to cut myself off from the rest of the culture by not licensing.

Eventually, I thought that it's interesting to make some rules for yourself while you're working on one project so it sounds different from the other stuff you do.