Fun doesn't have anything to do with pleasure, necessarily. I think this will be terrifically unintuitive for people.

For me, what fun means is finding novelty in the suffocating familiarity of ordinary life.

Play isn't you being clever, or finding a trick, or finding a way of covering over your own misery, or persuading someone to do what you want. It's the process of working with the materials that you find and discovering what's possible with them.

You can experience play at work, not because you're messing around or wasting time or something, but because you're looking really deeply and seriously at things and asking what is possible, what can be done with them, what new ideas might emerge?

When we use this word fun, it sort of bangs up the ordinary and the extraordinary altogether.

We have been trained to think we have enormous power over the world. Whatever you dream, you can do. Anything can be bent to your will. But actually isn't it much more interesting to imagine that you're quite small?

The whole idea of play is in finding, acknowledging, and then working with the natural constraints and limitations that you find in the world.