The fear is that we'll move in the direction from being a democracy to an oligarchy.

The possibility exists that the Kochs will walk away with even more power if [Donalds] Trump's defeated.

I mean, The New York Times actually had an interesting case recently where they described a detainee who was afraid of the dark, and so he was purposely kept very much in the dark.

[The Kochs] they hate big government.

[Donald] Trump comes along and is singing a different song. He says, "I don't need your money; I'm rich enough on my own to run." And he says, "I think we need these programs." And, lo and behold, a lot of Republican voters liked what he said.

In fact, Charles Koch tried to get [Mike] Pence to run for the White House in 2012.

And to me, it was interesting, some of the people I had interviewed who knew the insides to this program said that they also, to create anxiety and upset in the soldiers, they take Bibles and they trash them.