The fear is that we'll move in the direction from being a democracy to an oligarchy.

[Donald] Trump comes along and is singing a different song. He says, "I don't need your money; I'm rich enough on my own to run." And he says, "I think we need these programs." And, lo and behold, a lot of Republican voters liked what he said.

It's quite amazingly radical, what their [the Kochs] vision of America would be.

So in a strange way, even though Trump is a billionaire, what he's been saying is, "Everything's rigged, it's all corrupt and I'm not corrupt because I'm my own billionaire." Both [Donald] Trump and Bernie Sanders made a lot of hay by making that argument.

So you've got these regular, middle-class voters who don't hate the government as much as the Kochs do. They're Republicans, but they still want government programs. They want Social Security, they want Medicare. They need it.

Torture is illegal, both in the U.S. and abroad. So - and that is true for the Bush administration and for any other administration.

If you have an informed electorate, it makes great choices.