Torture is illegal, both in the U.S. and abroad. So - and that is true for the Bush administration and for any other administration.
Jane MayerDonald Trump actually is a pretty big-government conservative. He doesn't see eye-to-eye with them [the Kochs] on trade.
Jane MayerI mean, The New York Times actually had an interesting case recently where they described a detainee who was afraid of the dark, and so he was purposely kept very much in the dark.
Jane Mayer