There's not as much big money on the left, but you've got George Soros, who has the Open Society Institute. He's pushing liberal policies.

Well, they are critics of the Bush administration generally on the human rights record of the administration, and in particular, they are very, very critical of this use of science.

There's a difference between those two [George Soroses and the Tom Steyers] and the Kochs that I think is important.

The fear is that we'll move in the direction from being a democracy to an oligarchy.

There's been a 40-year effort on the far right to build up think tanks, academic programs, advocacy groups, to push a particular ideology. That's really where the impact is that people don't see.

[The Kochs] they hate big government.

Ethically, I think pretty much every code of ethics for doctors suggests that they should not be in an interrogation room, particularly if there's anything coercive or abusive going on.