Well, they are critics of the Bush administration generally on the human rights record of the administration, and in particular, they are very, very critical of this use of science.

Let's face it, the subject of campaign finance is not always scintillating. But it's incredibly important.

It's quite amazingly radical, what their [the Kochs] vision of America would be.

The idea is that if we can put our own people through something almost as bad as what they might have to go through if they were taken captive, they will inoculate themselves.

There's a difference between those two [George Soroses and the Tom Steyers] and the Kochs that I think is important.

What these memos do is they make legal acts that were criminal prior to these memos.

[Donald] Trump has put forward a list of people he would like to see on the Supreme Court, whom the Kochs would be very happy with too. So it's not all bad for them.