The hacker mindset doesn't actually see what happens on the other side, to the victim.

I get hired to hack into computers now and sometimes it's actually easier than it was years ago.

Hackers are breaking the systems for profit. Before, it was about intellectual curiosity and pursuit of knowledge and thrill, and now hacking is big business.

I characterize myself as a retired hacker. I'm applying what I know to improve security at companies.

I saw myself as an electronic joy rider.

Back in my day, I would probe by hand. Now you can get commercial software that does the job for you.

Oracle, for example, has even hired people to dumpster dive for information about its competitor, Microsoft. It's not even illegal, because trash isn't covered by data secrecy laws.