I have never heard that referred to before, that term: Jewish men from Yale.

Tony Kushner has said that Larry [Kramer] thinks everyone always has to agree with him.

Those people are seen, I assume, by Larry [Kramer] as writing partly about gay issues and problems, whether it's on the surface or not, and I am not. But another thing is when we met, there still wasn't exactly a gay/straight divide in the minds of a lot of straight people. There weren't any gay people, as far as we knew, at Yale.

Everyone disappoints [Larry Kramer]. So it's not a problem for him either way.

"Weenie" was definitely a word we used at Yale back then. But I'm not sure you were one, Larry [Kramer]. Also, you were going by a different name.

We didn't know each other [with Larry Kramer at Yale], but we had a lot of mutual friends.

I just so desperately wanted to be published in New Yorker, and I'd so desperately try to get something in it. But I'd always get nice letters back telling me that Mr. Shawn [William Shawn, the New Yorker's editor from 1952 to 1987] just didn't like this or didn't like that about what I submitted.