It is very different when you age. The things that are significant, or what drives you, or the physical experience of being driven, changes over time.

Stained glass enabled the modern world.

Artists live in unknown spaces and give themselves over to following something unknown.

When studio art started being seen as important, I joined Colab, and then I became very involved.

Life really changes. And it gets lighter, for the most part. You tolerate yourself and others better.

I'm not moving from an ideological standpoint. Sometimes I'm trying to make my life better. Sometimes I'm trying to make my life worse! I'm trying to find a happy medium that I can make some sense of.

It's just disgusting that in this society, the majority of students in art school are women, but they amount to less than 30% of what is shown in museums. That has not changed radically.