I was never that big a rock-and-roll, rock guy. I really preferred jazz, you know, that kind of thing.

I always took photographs. I photographed a lot of trees, by the way, which is another image I used often in my work, the tree image.

I do make some drawings for wall pieces. I do work out some ideas for large-scale wall pieces where I have to organize words or get proportions right. I do keep them in my files. Not an exhibit or a show; just as part of my records, my archives.

Agnes Martin is a big influence in my work actually, when I first saw her, these fine grids.

I know where the mistakes are. Nothing is perfect and I understand that.

I was at one point thinking about being an art historian, when I was in school. And not being an artist, but I decided I was going to be an artist but I'm really mad for art history and the masters mostly.

Words are objects of a color and a size and a form and a shape.