And when you are operating within your style, which is your world, which you operate in, then it also would make sense to you. Now, whether it makes sense to anybody outside is besides the point really. You just do it and then you find that other people kind of begin to relate to it and allow themselves to get into your way of thinking about things.

I loved music. Music was a big thing and so I started collecting records. I had a large collection of jazz records and that was something else I used to listen to. At night, there was a - what the heck was his name? There was a famous - Jazzbo Collins, I used to listen to at night, and some other guys.

I was never that big a rock-and-roll, rock guy. I really preferred jazz, you know, that kind of thing.

I always took photographs. I photographed a lot of trees, by the way, which is another image I used often in my work, the tree image.

I do like certain kinds of frames for work. That's important.

I have been in competitions for commissions. I've won most and lost some. Mostly, I've won.

You can't make somebody care about what you're doing. Either they get it, either there's that connection - or they don't.