I think you have a certain level of confidence in what you do. "Arrogance" is the wrong word. I think when you go into it, you're aware that you're doing it for the right reasons - and you have your own moral and ethical code. And we weren't driven by money, but by a a desire to make music and make a statement.

I think that's the fascinating thing that exists now. This contrasts with a celebrity art and celebrity music culture.

Crackdown, the video, interpreted and reflected a sense of authority and austerity and a sense of slight, impending doom.

In the 80s, we were still living in a kind of Cold War environment.

We were responding to a period in the 70s when we started that it was very much you cannot be involved in music unless you studied to do music.

In that period, we had the Cold War mentality imbued through us - the Post-war [environment] and the Cold War. I think we were reflecting some of that. This was before the Wall collapsed, etc.

You don't have to be trained in music to create sounds and to produce and release music. That's what we were saying back in 73-74. And that's the way the world is now - and all the tools of creation, production and dissemination are there in everybody's bedrooms, front rooms and studios.