We've always been journalists - and have seen ourselves in that way. But we sort of recontextualized it through music.

We were responding to a period in the 70s when we started that it was very much you cannot be involved in music unless you studied to do music.

We had always used found sound, but we had always used it in an analogue way. And it was the early days of using collage and sound in a digital way. MTV, a couple of years later would be that way.

Crackdown, the video, interpreted and reflected a sense of authority and austerity and a sense of slight, impending doom.

In that period, we had the Cold War mentality imbued through us - the Post-war [environment] and the Cold War. I think we were reflecting some of that. This was before the Wall collapsed, etc.

I think that's the fascinating thing that exists now. This contrasts with a celebrity art and celebrity music culture.

I think in everything we did, there's a sense of tension and a sense of things pulling in a different way. It's interesting calling it "beat music". That's quite true, the rhythm is up to the fore, it's got a slap bass, and it's got "funk" in the title. But I think there's always a level of irony when we did those kind of things.