Neither one of us could be sure we'd get our money back on this investment, but we just wanted to have company of our own for once because we were best friends.

I just was non-political and didn't see myself as a person who could push people around, make their decision, you know, and tell them how lousy their work was.

You know what, Steve Jobs is real nice to me. He lets me be an employee and that's one of the biggest honors of my life.

Steve Jobs made the case to Xerox PARC execs directly that they had great technology but that Apple knew how to make it affordable enough to change the world. This was very open. In the end, Xerox got a large block of Apple stock for sharing the technology. That's not stealing outright.

I've never really been associated with the hackers very much. I am sympathetic to them. I understand how their mind works. It's like a child that is born and wants to explore every little - open up every little drawer there is and find out how the world works.

Creative things have to sell to get acknowledged as such.

College just didn't even have computers for an under-curriculum when I started college.