We just grew to trust each other [with Patti Smith] more and more over the years. Most of the time I didn't even have a movie camera.

I just wanted to be Patti's [Smith] messenger and get her word out there.

I never went to film school, so I just sort of learned on my own.

She let me in during her tour, in London. Her band members - especially Lenny Kaye - were shocked at the fact that I was filming Patti [Smith].

Angelo Corrao was our editor [in Dream of Life], and he was just so diligent and so old-school in the way he looked at editing. He would take my far-out ideas and tame them and make sense of them.

Sometimes my fashion pictures can look a little bit like documentary style pictures. So having a camera in my hand was normal.

For me, moving from photography to film was very easy.