As the rich consume more and more, they are clearly not going to want to downgrade their own status.

Subsidize... or lend.

There's people coming in who've never done any politics at all, who've never been in a trade union, they've never been in a political party, they've never done anything, but they do feel a kind of urgency.

Everything has to be done to build some sort of international democracy. We've seen only the tiniest beginnings of that.

It seems to be the thing now that young people are getting back into politics.

How do we get democracy at the international level? That's our problem. and it's essentially the same problem people faced in the 18th Century when they tried to get democracy nationally. Now we need it internationally.

I think the market is always going to be around. The goal is not to say, let's get rid of the market, because the market does render a huge number of services, and I don't want to have a fight about the price of something every time I buy a book or a bottle of water.