The natural capital is not income, but we spend our natural capital as if it were revenue, as if it were going to come back next year without any problems, whereas these renewals in nature can take hundreds of years.

The Sierra Club in the United States has now really come out for population control and reduction.

The World Development Movement, to take just one example, is doing good work. Some political parties are, too.

Subsidize... or lend.

There are a lot of people who don't contribute anything to consumption and production.

Debt is such a powerful tool, it is such a useful tool, it's much better than colonialism ever was because you can keep control without having an army, without having a whole administration.

The real fight is about what should be in the marketplace and what should not. Should education be a marketable commodity? Should healthcare?