I was a grad student at UC Berkeley when I bought my Apple II and it suddenly because a lot more interesting than school

But typically for a project like the Mac, the size we had was pretty good. And it has different stages. The team grows as you have to write manuals and do testing... though the Mac had no formal testing.

I knew the Apple II was great when I bought it, but as I dug into the details it just completely blew me away the creative artistic approach that the designers had taken.

I left Apple in April of 1984, pretty soon after the introduction of the Mac.

Scotty heard that I was thinking about quitting Apple because of his actions, so he called me into his office and asked what it would take for me to stay? I said, maybe if I could work on the Mac project, which Steve had just taken over from Jef Raskin.

Being idealistic really helps you overcome some of the many obstacles put in your path.

You show me a great program and I'll show you a passionate individual somewhere behind it.