The Macintosh having shipped, his next agenda was to turn the rest of Apple into the Mac group. He had perceived the rest of Apple wasn't as creative or motivated as the Mac team, and what you need to take over the company are managers, not innovators or technical people

As you know, Microsoft eventually kind of grabbed the gold ring out of Apple's hands, I guess.

But typically for a project like the Mac, the size we had was pretty good. And it has different stages. The team grows as you have to write manuals and do testing... though the Mac had no formal testing.

I started working at Apple about 18 months after I bought my Apple II

Part of Steve's job was to drum into us how important what we were doing actually would be to the world

But I think Steve's main contribution besides just the pure leadership is his passion for excellence. He's a perfectionist. Good enough isn't good enough. And also his creative spirit. You know he really, really wants to do something great.

The Apple II was not designed like an ordinary product. It used crazy tricks everywhere