The Macintosh having shipped, his next agenda was to turn the rest of Apple into the Mac group. He had perceived the rest of Apple wasn't as creative or motivated as the Mac team, and what you need to take over the company are managers, not innovators or technical people

I left Apple in April of 1984, pretty soon after the introduction of the Mac.

I did some products for the Apple II, most notably the first small low cost thermal printer, the Silent Type.

But I think Steve's main contribution besides just the pure leadership is his passion for excellence. He's a perfectionist. Good enough isn't good enough. And also his creative spirit. You know he really, really wants to do something great.

As you know, Microsoft eventually kind of grabbed the gold ring out of Apple's hands, I guess.

You show me a great program and I'll show you a passionate individual somewhere behind it.

I knew the Apple II was great when I bought it, but as I dug into the details it just completely blew me away the creative artistic approach that the designers had taken.