I did some products for the Apple II, most notably the first small low cost thermal printer, the Silent Type.

But typically for a project like the Mac, the size we had was pretty good. And it has different stages. The team grows as you have to write manuals and do testing... though the Mac had no formal testing.

As you know, Microsoft eventually kind of grabbed the gold ring out of Apple's hands, I guess.

The Apple II was not designed like an ordinary product. It used crazy tricks everywhere

I developed some unique software to public it on the web that I call the Folklore Project.

Scotty heard that I was thinking about quitting Apple because of his actions, so he called me into his office and asked what it would take for me to stay? I said, maybe if I could work on the Mac project, which Steve had just taken over from Jef Raskin.

In fact when I first got my Apple II the first thing I did was turn it on and off, on and off, just because I had the power to do so, which I'd never had on a computer before