Well, I was born and raised in Rochester, New York.

So I, I knew something in a business sense about semiconductors and I appreciated their possibilities.

People come in with business plans and, I mean I know that no one is going to meet everything they say in a business plan but you got to have something to, to guide towards.

I mean I wasn't a founder in the sense that I contributed anything scientifically but in the sense that I signed the corporation papers and, and owned founder's stock.

And what I'm interested in is investing in people.

This country's going to have a revolution if something doesn't happen the haves and have - nots.

Steve Jobs is a national treasure. He is so visionary, and so bright. I had to fire him, though.