Which, the first meeting with anybody is, you know, everybody is on their best behavior. It's only after you get to know them for a while that you figure out.
And what I'm interested in is investing in people.
My father was an immigrant from Russia and my mother was first generation.
Killing Intel, I, I just had to resign from the Apple Board.
Well, I was born and raised in Rochester, New York.
I mean I wasn't a founder in the sense that I contributed anything scientifically but in the sense that I signed the corporation papers and, and owned founder's stock.