My fantasy is that there is a new regulatory body that is in charge of algorithmic auditing.

You'll never be able to really measure anything, right? Including teachers.

I would argue that one of the major problems with our blind trust in algorithms is that we can propagate discriminatory patterns without acknowledging any kind of intent.

So much of our society as a whole is gearing us to maximize our salary or bonus. Basically, we just think in terms of money. Or, if not money, then, if you're in academia, it's prestige. It's a different kind of currency. And there's this unmeasured dimension of all jobs, which is whether it's improving the world.

I think big data companies only like good news. So I think they're just hoping that they don't get sued, essentially.

For whatever reason, I have never separated the technical from the ethical.

The national conversation around white entitlement, around institutionalized racism, the Black Lives Matter movement, I think, came about in large part because of the widening and broadening of our understanding of inequality. That conversation was begun by Occupy.