I think we have got to put fire under the feet of all kinds of people.

I have a lot of time for young people.

Forgiveness and reconciliation are not just ethereal, spiritual, other-worldly activities. They have to do with the real world. They are realpolitik, because in a very real sense, without forgiveness, there is no future.

I mean in the South African case, many of those who were part of death squads would have been respectable members of their white community, people who went to church on Sunday, every Sunday.

What is black empowerment when it seems to benefit not the vast majority but an elite that tends to be recycled?

I'm not an optimist. I'm a prisoner of hope.

This is a moral universe, which means that, despite all the evidence that seems to be to the contrary, there is no way that evil and injustice and oppression and lies can have the last word.