But generally speaking, people weren't fired, art jobs were very hard to get, so something really calamitous had to happen to a person who was working there in order for you to find a space.

Coming into the business, you'd pass through these little agencies until you got to understand what was happening in the business, unless you were really able to have a style strong enough to go directly to the publishers.

I was hired to do as many Boy Commando, Newsboy Legion, and Sandman stories as I could.

By the end of the 50s, everything began to collapse and, little by little, I lost all of my work. I lost Rex, the Wonder Dog and all the westerns.

I was not too smart and constantly mouthed off and didn't know anything.

But I was also a big mouth, I started to develop a troubled relationship with Harry Shorten.

DC used to print up all of their pages, they were the only company that did it.