The country has to change. Productivity in Australia more generally has got to improve. Some of the highest manufacturing costs in the world are coming out of Australia.
Ian McLeodYou don't like to have people believing that you're doing the wrong thing which is why we're trying to make sure that people recognise that we do the right thing.
Ian McLeodI become quite inhibited particularly when I do comedy, I won't - there's a whole thing of allowing an audience in and if you - if you cover yourself with a mask of, kind of, severity, which I'm quite good at doing, that's masking fear of course, then people feel shut out.
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