We just can't go and try to turn the clock back, that's not happening anymore. You've got to figure something else out.

What I've been trying to do for years is to get the music played on a station other than jazz stations, you know, to expand the audience.

Because people really got tired, too, of the same old formatted sort of thing, and the same old formatted music.

We're just beginning to learn the importance of music in our society.

You play ensemble things that you had no idea you were going to play two minutes before.

And there are a lot of people interested in creative music, there are more and more and more.

You would think that anyone on a major label would be doing something, but when you speak of major label that means something to maybe a big pop star that might be getting some sort of benefit from the major. But we still don't get anything.