We had a church together. We co-founded and co-pastored the ministry, but Randy [White] was really a strong part.

My definition of prosperity would be quite different than what most people probably imagine or think, because I think that a wholeness word that means nothing missing, nothing broken. It's not finances or materialism.

I did it through our ministries. We had ordination and basically understanding there ought - to be ordained that God has set apart, for the purposes of ministry. This is an important thing because of that defining moment, when I held that word up, I said I want to spend the rest of my life helping people.

I say you have to remember in darkness what he told you in light. And the principle is this that there are times that it does feel like God is playing hide and go seek. But I trust him.

Good means ultimately he's producing character in me to conform me into the image of Christ.

I believe so many people live what I call that false identity they are living according to other people's expectations, associations, their experiences, the labels in life. And they buy into that.

I never heard the gospel of Jesus Christ. I had never attended church, was never raised in a religious home, never had any insight of God or who he was until I was 18 years old.