I think it's different in fashion, because even if I would be an outsider, I would still be in the middle of the whole world of contemporary fashion. But it's interesting to think what outsider fashion could be. Does it mean to be completely disconnected from the regular system or just disconnected style-wise?

My whole life, I've always had to be surrounded by creative things. I find it relaxing to be in touch with creations by other people.

My mother was a cleaning lady all her life.

I like very much to put on fashion shows.

The Dior heritage is so broad. It has a strong presence in the work. So, when people have to define it quickly, it's, like, the Bar jacket and the movement and the luxury and the Belle Époque and so much more.

Well, my own men's collection always felt very free back in the days before Jil. Once you make it this kind of dialogue with other people, with a fashion show and clients and whatever, it becomes something else. Free meets not so free.

I would prefer to use the word free. I think the Dior thing is so much freer. There was not so much free about Jil's way of working.