I had always taken photos - always, always taken photos, made movies.

I relied mainly on other artists, who I think are smarter than critics, any critics or curators or anybody like that. They really know.

I never ever approached a dealer. I have always been approached by dealers or curators or whatever.

I think words speak to us even though they may be written on a wall. So we hear them in our mind. We say it to ourselves. But they are also visual things. You draw them. They are designed. They are colored. They have a certain size. I put them in a certain place. So they are objects that have to be - artistic decisions have to be made in terms of the color and the size and the line and whatever.

I do like certain kinds of frames for work. That's important.

The notion of a thing, materiality, was something that I think was something very in peoples' minds when they were dealing with earth and metal and different kinds of metals and the interaction of different sorts of material.

I really wasn't about to get a Ph.D. in art history, you know, which you'd absolutely needed. And that was not something I wanted. And I loved art history, but not that way.