During the '70s I was interested in words and meaning as a way of making art.

Minimalism wasn't a real idea - it ended before it started.

Obviously a drawing of a person is not a real person, but a drawing of a line is a real line.

What the work of art looks like isn't too important. It has to look like something if it has a physical form. No matter what form it may finally have it must begin with an idea. It is the process of conception and realization with which the artist is concerned.

Unless you're involved with thinking about what you're doing, you end up doing the same thing over and over, and that becomes tedious and, in the end, defeating.

The other great development has been in photography, but that too was influenced by Conceptual art.

The idea becomes a machine that makes the art.