I started working at Apple about 18 months after I bought my Apple II

The Macintosh having shipped, his next agenda was to turn the rest of Apple into the Mac group. He had perceived the rest of Apple wasn't as creative or motivated as the Mac team, and what you need to take over the company are managers, not innovators or technical people

I left Apple in April of 1984, pretty soon after the introduction of the Mac.

Being idealistic really helps you overcome some of the many obstacles put in your path.

We were developing an innovative Personal Information Manager called Chandler but a couple years ago I took off from that to do a project writing down my memoirs essentially, reminiscing about the development of the Macintosh.

I did some products for the Apple II, most notably the first small low cost thermal printer, the Silent Type.

But I think Steve's main contribution besides just the pure leadership is his passion for excellence. He's a perfectionist. Good enough isn't good enough. And also his creative spirit. You know he really, really wants to do something great.