I started working at Apple about 18 months after I bought my Apple II

I started working at Apple about 18 months after I bought my Apple II

As you know, Microsoft eventually kind of grabbed the gold ring out of Apple's hands, I guess.

It's [programming] the only job I can think of where I get to be both an engineer and an artist. There's an incredible, rigorous, technical element to it, which I like because you have to do very precise thinking. On the other hand, it has a wildly creative side where the boundaries of imagination are the only real limitation.

But typically for a project like the Mac, the size we had was pretty good. And it has different stages. The team grows as you have to write manuals and do testing... though the Mac had no formal testing.

I left Apple in April of 1984, pretty soon after the introduction of the Mac.

I developed some unique software to public it on the web that I call the Folklore Project.