As you know, Microsoft eventually kind of grabbed the gold ring out of Apple's hands, I guess.

But typically for a project like the Mac, the size we had was pretty good. And it has different stages. The team grows as you have to write manuals and do testing... though the Mac had no formal testing.

A lot of people thought Steve Jobs was a CEO of Apple but he never was until he came back to Apple in 1997.

I developed some unique software to public it on the web that I call the Folklore Project.

People who work on the user interface side need to have empathy as a key characteristic. But if you are writing device drivers you don't really need to understand humans so well.

Part of Steve's job was to drum into us how important what we were doing actually would be to the world

In fact when I first got my Apple II the first thing I did was turn it on and off, on and off, just because I had the power to do so, which I'd never had on a computer before