As you know, Microsoft eventually kind of grabbed the gold ring out of Apple's hands, I guess.

As you know, Microsoft eventually kind of grabbed the gold ring out of Apple's hands, I guess.

I'm the kind of developer who likes to throw lightning rods around. To make a great program there's got to be at least one person at the center who is breathing life into it. In a ferocious way.

But I think Steve's main contribution besides just the pure leadership is his passion for excellence. He's a perfectionist. Good enough isn't good enough. And also his creative spirit. You know he really, really wants to do something great.

You show me a great program and I'll show you a passionate individual somewhere behind it.

Part of Steve's job was to drum into us how important what we were doing actually would be to the world

A lot of people thought Steve Jobs was a CEO of Apple but he never was until he came back to Apple in 1997.