In fact when I first got my Apple II the first thing I did was turn it on and off, on and off, just because I had the power to do so, which I'd never had on a computer before

The Apple II was not designed like an ordinary product. It used crazy tricks everywhere

Part of Steve's job was to drum into us how important what we were doing actually would be to the world

It's [programming] the only job I can think of where I get to be both an engineer and an artist. There's an incredible, rigorous, technical element to it, which I like because you have to do very precise thinking. On the other hand, it has a wildly creative side where the boundaries of imagination are the only real limitation.

As you know, Microsoft eventually kind of grabbed the gold ring out of Apple's hands, I guess.

I left Apple in April of 1984, pretty soon after the introduction of the Mac.

You show me a great program and I'll show you a passionate individual somewhere behind it.