You know, a lot of people are just interested in, in building a company so they can make money and get out.

Steve Jobs is a national treasure. He is so visionary, and so bright. I had to fire him, though.

People come in with business plans and, I mean I know that no one is going to meet everything they say in a business plan but you got to have something to, to guide towards.

I mean I wasn't a founder in the sense that I contributed anything scientifically but in the sense that I signed the corporation papers and, and owned founder's stock.

And what I'm interested in is investing in people.

So I, I knew something in a business sense about semiconductors and I appreciated their possibilities.

My father was an immigrant from Russia and my mother was first generation.