I had an agent. When [Edward] Steichen was doing "The Family of Man", I went up to the office one day. I think Wayne Miller, who assisted Steichen with "The Family of Man," was up there and pulled out a bunch of pictures. So I got a message: "Take these pictures, call Steichen, make an appointment and take these pictures up there." And that's how I met him.

Photography is about finding out what can happen in the frame. When you put four edges around some facts, you change those facts.

Surviving, that's all. That's all I have in mind .

There've been times it's been just impossible to find a negative or whatever. But I'm basically just a one man operation, and so things get messed up. I don't have a filing system that's worth very much.

I have boxes of pictures that nothing is ever going to happen to. Even Public Relations. I mean, I was going to events long before, and I still am.

The world isn't tidy; it's a mess. I don't try to make it neat.

There is a transformation, you see, when you just put four edges around it. That changes it. A new world is created.