Then of course there are bigger things that matter, like who do I see up there in the congregation? Do I see myself up there? Well, I don't.

That's a big fear, right, and when I talk with black pastors, the same thing: If we try to have this move towards interracial congregations, whites will just dominate then. There are so many more of them, and they're used to being in the position of power. So they'll just take over, and we'll lose the one thing we do have.

There's always that sense of because we're so racially defined, if you're trying to cross the boundaries you don't fit into any particular space.

To a large extent, people's interest in the character is the mystery of the character.

But what we found in the study is that churches are ten times less diverse than the neighborhoods they sit in. So there's something more going on than just reflecting the neighborhood, yeah.

As you may know, previously as Attorney General and now as Governor, I have supported legislation to close the gun show loophole in North Carolina.

I really do think that every time you play a role well, you are in danger of being identified with that role until the next big thing comes along.