I'm a producer in the old-school way - not just some slacker working on Pro Tools.

It wouldn't interest me to try to sound like Cop or something. It would be silly and soul-crushing.

As far as playing playing festivals and everything, I feel like that's what I was born to do. I'm an entertainer, hopefully in the best sense.

It's good that people come to the shows because there's nothing fashionable about Swans. Never has been, really. We've never been part of a scene. So the people that come are really there for the music. Fortunately, there's a lot of young people and a burgeoning female contingent, which is good as well.

Maybe in the future I'll put out someone's one-off project, but generally I don't have time.

I don't throw my body down on the stage at all anymore because I'm sure I'd snap like a twig.

I am definitely less and less interested in music made by people that exist today, people that are living. I just see them as part of the whole stupid process of the music business, desperate (even if they feign indifference) to get noticed, trying to "make it" in the stinking music business, to become "famous" etc, and it disgusts me.