In that period, we had the Cold War mentality imbued through us - the Post-war [environment] and the Cold War. I think we were reflecting some of that. This was before the Wall collapsed, etc.

We were responding to a period in the 70s when we started that it was very much you cannot be involved in music unless you studied to do music.

I think we saw our reaction coming from Dada, but at the same time, it formed into punk, which was very much a reaction to the social conditions. That was part of it for us as well, and that's why we were kind of swept along with punk.

Crackdown, the video, interpreted and reflected a sense of authority and austerity and a sense of slight, impending doom.

I think that's the fascinating thing that exists now. This contrasts with a celebrity art and celebrity music culture.

You don't have to be trained in music to create sounds and to produce and release music. That's what we were saying back in 73-74. And that's the way the world is now - and all the tools of creation, production and dissemination are there in everybody's bedrooms, front rooms and studios.

We were iconoclastic. We weren't there to sort of follow the trends really. So it was important that we were making a statement against that.