We had always used found sound, but we had always used it in an analogue way. And it was the early days of using collage and sound in a digital way. MTV, a couple of years later would be that way.

We've always been observant of things, and I think Crackdown was very much like that and the film interpretation was that journalistic view of that situation.

Going there [Japan] in the early 80s was quite a culture shock. I think the bombardment of Shinjuku and all that would have filtered through, which certainly informed things we later filmed.

We were working in entertainment, in the music industry, with popular music, it was important, but it was something that we also felt was a responsibility.

I think that's the fascinating thing that exists now. This contrasts with a celebrity art and celebrity music culture.

Some of it was shot in Berlin, but a lot of it was filmed in Hamburg, along the Reeperbahn in Hamburg in the famous red light district. Kino is obviously German and "film" and "cinema" and we were always cinematic in our thinking.

We've always been journalists - and have seen ourselves in that way. But we sort of recontextualized it through music.