We were sort of coming from an angle where we wanted to break rules.

It was an important period for us, because even though we weren't a "punk band", and what became a model for a punk band, we were able to be dragged along by the spirit of that time.

I think we saw our reaction coming from Dada, but at the same time, it formed into punk, which was very much a reaction to the social conditions. That was part of it for us as well, and that's why we were kind of swept along with punk.

We also worked with Marshall Jefferson for Groovy, Laidback and Nasty. So we were lucky to work with some really great people.

We were iconoclastic. We weren't there to sort of follow the trends really. So it was important that we were making a statement against that.

I think that's the fascinating thing that exists now. This contrasts with a celebrity art and celebrity music culture.

We were working in entertainment, in the music industry, with popular music, it was important, but it was something that we also felt was a responsibility.