We were responding to a period in the 70s when we started that it was very much you cannot be involved in music unless you studied to do music.

We had always used found sound, but we had always used it in an analogue way. And it was the early days of using collage and sound in a digital way. MTV, a couple of years later would be that way.

We also worked with Marshall Jefferson for Groovy, Laidback and Nasty. So we were lucky to work with some really great people.

We've always been journalists - and have seen ourselves in that way. But we sort of recontextualized it through music.

I think that's the fascinating thing that exists now. This contrasts with a celebrity art and celebrity music culture.

We were sort of coming from an angle where we wanted to break rules.

I think probably underneath it all, film [Kino] has its own rhythm and its own dynamic, and we were trying to capture the movement of film and cross-reference it with music.