We were iconoclastic. We weren't there to sort of follow the trends really. So it was important that we were making a statement against that.

We were sort of coming from an angle where we wanted to break rules.

We were coming from a completely different place, which was saying "sound" is what you want to define it as, and you can shape it into music in whichever way you want.

I think probably underneath it all, film [Kino] has its own rhythm and its own dynamic, and we were trying to capture the movement of film and cross-reference it with music.

It was an important period for us, because even though we weren't a "punk band", and what became a model for a punk band, we were able to be dragged along by the spirit of that time.

I think that's the fascinating thing that exists now. This contrasts with a celebrity art and celebrity music culture.

Looking back, I think we were very much a part of democratizing music, and we wanted to demystify the process of making music - to show it's a myth.