You don't have to be trained in music to create sounds and to produce and release music. That's what we were saying back in 73-74. And that's the way the world is now - and all the tools of creation, production and dissemination are there in everybody's bedrooms, front rooms and studios.

Even though we were influenced by American culture and music, we like the rest of Europe have been colonized with that in the post-war period. At the same time there's a sense of dirty earthiness and Europeanness and Britishness in it as well.

We were sort of coming from an angle where we wanted to break rules.

Music doesn't have to be so rule-based - and so strict in its structures, construction and perception.

I think probably underneath it all, film [Kino] has its own rhythm and its own dynamic, and we were trying to capture the movement of film and cross-reference it with music.

I think what we tried to do lyrically, vocally and musically was to capture a sound.

We were iconoclastic. We weren't there to sort of follow the trends really. So it was important that we were making a statement against that.