We were coming from a completely different place, which was saying "sound" is what you want to define it as, and you can shape it into music in whichever way you want.

I think you have a certain level of confidence in what you do. "Arrogance" is the wrong word. I think when you go into it, you're aware that you're doing it for the right reasons - and you have your own moral and ethical code. And we weren't driven by money, but by a a desire to make music and make a statement.

We've always been observant of things, and I think Crackdown was very much like that and the film interpretation was that journalistic view of that situation.

I think what we tried to do lyrically, vocally and musically was to capture a sound.

You don't have to be trained in music to create sounds and to produce and release music. That's what we were saying back in 73-74. And that's the way the world is now - and all the tools of creation, production and dissemination are there in everybody's bedrooms, front rooms and studios.

We've always been journalists - and have seen ourselves in that way. But we sort of recontextualized it through music.

This was in the sense that if Dada was reacting to the morality and aesthetics of pre-WWI, then we were very much a reaction to the pomposity of rock that existed within music at that time.