We were coming from a completely different place, which was saying "sound" is what you want to define it as, and you can shape it into music in whichever way you want.

We were coming from a completely different place, which was saying "sound" is what you want to define it as, and you can shape it into music in whichever way you want.

I think that's the fascinating thing that exists now. This contrasts with a celebrity art and celebrity music culture.

One of the tropes of our videos is that they were very rhythmic with clipped edits.

In the 80s, we were still living in a kind of Cold War environment.

I think probably underneath it all, film [Kino] has its own rhythm and its own dynamic, and we were trying to capture the movement of film and cross-reference it with music.

I don't think it had a name when we started. If punk has any roots, Dada is part of it. And we saw ourselves as part of a kind of Dada tradition.